並前往https://books.google.com.tw/books?id=JpZpEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=%E6%96%B0%E8%81%9ETalk+Show+%E7%9B%B4%E6%92%AD&source=bl&ots=ct36lxl5qL&sig=ACfU3U0lRkJ4gmegd-AE_hud8ywtparMKA&hl=zh-TW&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6z_XGn9GAAxUbLkQIHU0cCZ4Q6AF6BQiuARAD